Netherlight Crucible Is Again Alt Unfriendly

2017-10-29,10:16 PM

Quote Originally Posted by mariovsgoku View Post

Besides legendaries it has never been easier to gear alts. My alt I have barely done anything with (maybe washed a single run through of normal) is 918 and 61 artifact levels. Antiquity knowledge is so high yous get to sixty artifact levels a 24-hour interval after hitting max level basically. Just consider the Argus quest as a mode to become lots of antiquity ability.

This. Legendaries on alts are horrible(more and then than on mains), but outside of that gearing in Legion is extremely easy/quick. - - - Updated - - -

Quote Originally Posted by Rorcanna View Post

... Gearing alts has never been this easy, nor every bit engaging... At this point in previous expansions, my alts would be out of ways to progress. At present? I get to 925-930 ilvl with them, and at that place's STILL e'er ways to progress them further.

This expansion is now extremely alt-friendly in catch-up mechanics, and when it comes to how far one tin progress an alt without having to raid.

It'south perpahs a you trouble, you don't bask it and so having to play characters to progress them translates into "it sucks" to you? Only speculating though.

Except for legendaries.

2017-10-29,10:19 PM

Then... don't prepare an alt?

2017-10-29,ten:23 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Volitar View Post

Yeah playing alts is then boring right at present. Simply grind argus and do boring shit while praying for legendary.

Annnnd what exactly was there to do before on alts in other expansions that was really any different? That'southward pretty much exactly what happened for the past iii expansions with Argus, Tanaan Jungle, and Timeless Isle.

This isn't something new and dissimilar than has happened earlier. Hell, in BC, Wrath and even Cata to a lesser extent, if you lot didn't raid once you hit max level with an alt that was it, you were washed with information technology and there was goose egg else to do on them, deadening on not. They were maxed out and not getting whatsoever stronger or gaining anything of consequence no matter what y'all did. You lot almost sound upset that y'all have to play your alt instead of just level and forget about them. If you find playing them boring, peradventure you should, oh, I don't know, not play them. WoW is non forcing yous to play alts or slow content, that's on you lot for choosing to keep playing something yous find boring and so lament about it.

2017-10-29,10:24 PM

Quote Originally Posted by decyphier View Post

I've been playing WoW since 2007, through all walks of the game - top 40 U.s.a. raiding, Gladiator in 3s, and that I have kids I stick to G+. It'southward of my stance that in the electric current state of this game, it's extremely unrewarding to play an alt right at present. Grinding for AP, relics, legendary items, and and then going through Argus, etc.... once again.... and again.... it sucks so bad to endeavour and get an alt upwards to speed.

Either that, or information technology's really good correct now and I've just been playing this game for likewise long.

You are burnt out, simple equally that. I am besides for that thing. I try to hop on an alt and I play for like 15 min and than say to myself, "why bother, this takes to much piece of work". I'yard simply to burnt out on the game to make that attempt. I log in and practice some things on my Main and then log. Deplorable actually. Hopefully new raid and expansion announcements bring back some of the life.

2017-10-29,x:35 PM

Quote Originally Posted past oplawlz View Post

The just affair alt unfriendly is the legendary system, merely admittedly it's a huge thing for a coincidental player. Agreed that the forced zone quests are a hurting, though.

Yup, getting legendaries has been the merely painful office. Finally got a 2d legendary on my alt earlier today.Meanwhile, I look at my chief & information technology'southward massive amount of legendaries & almost weep LOL

2017-x-29,10:37 PM

Filthy casual here.
In 7.2 I decided to get all my characters like my main to 110 (12, one of every class) - and so I could feel all the order hall stories. The other reason being to make some gold with club hall missions, and of form course mounts.
When 7.3 arrived I did the Argus quests with 5 characters, but started to experience burned out pretty quick. At this point I'grand non fifty-fifty actively farming AP. I came to the determination, that gearing all alts higher up ilvl 900 might just be obsolete, since it gets replaced with greenish items in the next expansion (and I don't really play that much with alts, the effort might not really be worth it) and then the only reason I log in with them is to occasionally subcontract order hall resources and old raid transmog runs. I could strive for the mage tower challenges for antiquity appearances, optimally with Tier sets/the right legendaries on alts, which I don't have though, and granted, I'm non a really proficient player.
I do however think it is worth just having alts at 110, just and then you could modify one of them to exist your main in the next expansion, if you feel similar information technology - who knows how specs will change.

2017-10-29,x:38 PM

Quote Originally Posted by equus80 View Post

Annnnd what exactly was at that place to do earlier on alts in other expansions that was really any different? That's pretty much exactly what happened for the past 3 expansions with Argus, Tanaan Jungle, and Timeless Isle.

This isn't something new and different than has happened before. Hell, in BC, Wrath and even Cata to a lesser extent, if you lot didn't raid one time you hit max level with an alt that was it, y'all were done with it and there was nothing else to do on them, wearisome on not. They were maxed out and not getting any stronger or gaining annihilation of outcome no affair what yous did. You almost audio upset that you have to play your alt instead of only level and forget about them. If you find playing them boring, maybe you should, oh, I don't know, not play them. WoW is not forcing you lot to play alts or boring content, that's on you lot for choosing to continue playing something you discover boring and then complaining about it.

I don't play alts in Legion. In past expansions I did because the way to progress them was just raiding. All the tanan or timeless isle was catch up mechanics that you only needed to do if yous made a fresh toon, and after a few weeks you were done and could stop.

Legion gearing alts is but doing world quests and argus stuff -forever-. I observe that boring and just busywork.

2017-10-29,xi:21 PM

Quote Originally Posted by Volitar View Post

I don't play alts in Legion. In past expansions I did because the way to progress them was simply raiding. All the tanan or timeless isle was take hold of up mechanics that you merely needed to do if you made a fresh toon, and after a few weeks you were washed and could end.

Legion gearing alts is just doing world quests and argus stuff -forever-. I notice that irksome and just busywork.

That's my big gripe to, and why I'm unsubbed for a while. Alts aside, the endless grind is just besides much.

2017-ten-thirty,04:34 AM

Information technology always has, it ever will.

2017-x-30,04:59 AM

If information technology wasn't for legendaries it's merely as easy as it has been in past expansions. You are flooded with 880 tokens from Argus (seriously, my banking concern is stuffed full of the damn things, cease giving them to me cheers) and can become multiple 910+ pieces a week without too much effort. Legendaries, though...information technology just feels awful trying to get them, especially as many classes still accept some that are simply miles meliorate than the others.

Artifact weapons are likewise a trouble I think. It's ridiculously easy to get Cyclopedia, but the Netherlight Crucible but creates this feeling of an endless grind and, unlike pre-NC Concordance, the upgrades tin be meaning.

2017-x-xxx,05:05 AM

Quote Originally Posted past decyphier View Post

Either that, or information technology'south really good right now and I've just been playing this game for too long.

Honestly, without existence trite, I suspect it's this. I have 4 toons that I log at least a bit each week. My best estimate is that my time is divide roughly thirty/twoscore/xx/x% between them, with 30% being my main (non much to do besides keep AP going), 40% being my primary development alt (still farming legendary), and other two mostly flipping table missions and doing one key for chest each calendar week. Even so, even the ten% guy hit 940 I-lvl tonight, and is at 69 ranks in antiquity.

The take hold of-ups are existent. Unless you are stuck on having bis before you can get-go to enjoy a toon, gearing is ridiculously easy. Imho, equally always.

2017-10-30,05:eleven AM

Quote Originally Posted by decyphier View Post

I've been playing WoW since 2007, through all walks of the game - top 40 US raiding, Gladiator in 3s, and that I have kids I stick to M+. Information technology'south of my opinion that in the current state of this game, it's extremely unrewarding to play an alt correct now. Grinding for AP, relics, legendary items, and and so going through Argus, etc.... once again.... and once again.... it sucks and so bad to try and get an alt upward to speed.

Either that, or it's really skillful right at present and I've only been playing this game for besides long.

I have a DK blood on which i never raid : only Btoken Shore campaign 15/fifteen, Argus entrada 3/iii (bought a few Relinquish items, did the 2 quests for Argunite each week), and ran each week a Yard+10.

He is 930 with optimized stats and ii legendaries.
Aforementioned with my Shaman Heal, he is 927 with i legendary.

I'm gearing a Warlock with the same strategy. He is 900 right at present and volition be 930 in 2-3 weeks of quests, missions and Argus campaign. I spend possibly 2 hours per week for an alt.

2017-10-thirty,05:15 AM

I've seen a lot of these threads earlier, but never with as much BS every bit this thread.

No. This expansion is not alt friendly, and information technology's not like shooting fish in a barrel to ready alts every bit it used to be.

FFS people, quit trying to exist internet hero's are y'all xiii or something?

If this were the terminate of Cataclysm (or Wrath), I'd run a few dungeons, and I'd have an average item level of 915 (previous tier ilvl). My main correct now is only ilvl 903.

2017-10-30,05:39 AM

Quote Originally Posted by decyphier View Post

I've been playing WoW since 2007, through all walks of the game - top forty US raiding, Gladiator in 3s, and that I have kids I stick to M+. It'southward of my stance that in the current country of this game, it'southward extremely unrewarding to play an alt right now. Grinding for AP, relics, legendary items, and and so going through Argus, etc.... again.... and again.... information technology sucks then bad to endeavor and get an alt upwardly to speed.

Either that, or it's really proficient correct now and I've just been playing this game for also long.

Ya information technology's then hard to go do dailies on Argus and skip all of the current expansions raids minus the nearly recently released raid on heroic and mythic. This is a beyond absurd statement with no basis in reality minus the legendary complaint, which we've seen enough of all expansion. You can literally go from fresh 110 to 925 ILvL within 2 weeks time. You're incorrect in your assessment of the games current state, period.

What you lot're looking for here, is sympathy and a pity party. You're likely non going to discover either, because we've all dealt with it all expansion. Your complaint, at it's core, is that yous don't have all the benefits of players who have played extensively during the expansion. We don't want to hear it

And to close, I think information technology'due south a 99% impossibility of you being top 40, glad, any of your laurels, as you lot're lament most work in this expansion while wanting to do NO RAIDING whatsoever in this one. The fact that a mod didn't delete this thread in 20 minutes is the virtually interesting part of the entire thread

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Quote Originally Posted by ablib View Post

I've seen a lot of these threads earlier, just never with as much BS as this thread.

No. This expansion is not alt friendly, and information technology's not easy to set alts as it used to be.

FFS people, quit trying to be internet hero'south are you xiii or something?

If this were the cease of Cataclysm (or Wrath), I'd run a few dungeons, and I'd have an average item level of 915 (previous tier ilvl). My main right now is merely ilvl 903.

Lmao main at 903, complains information technology'southward difficult to prepare. Ok buddy. Try playing the game and non circling Dalaran

2017-10-30,05:40 AM

lol @ all these

"my alt is ilvl 930 in one week"

Information technology'southward a no wonder I take 930s in my Thousand+ and raid doing sub par dps because yah ilvl is everything.

Information technology probably gonna take you months to get a properly itemized 930s and good legendaries. But hey, nearly 930s doesn't intendance and thinks hes entitled to bring together a +12 Mythic run and spiral shit up anyway.

And yes... equally someone who like to be itemized and geared properly rather than jus chasing raw ilvl, Legion is crap for alts.

Also Inb4 "dont pug and then" or "play with people y'all know then" . The fact is about of these alt ilvl930s are probably pugging their shits anyway. But w/e.

2017-10-thirty,05:42 AM

"It'due south never been easier" the easiest information technology's been to gear alts in this game was end Wrath, where you could become 25M ICC gear via running dungeons for 264 ilvl currency gear. Ever since so, it's gotten progressively more time consuming (not difficult...note the difference). Random ilvl upgrades on gear adds to the grind, especially at lower ilvls equally you lot can't actually skip LFR until you're to a higher place 920 (?) ilvl, due to warforging/titanforging/whatsoever. The big deviation with this expansion is the added antiquity power grind and how much concordance/netherlight crucible impacts your raid performance. Y'all're never "washed" with a grapheme, it's a never catastrophe grind.

If yous're feeling that pressure to have an alt that's in the best gear and the most possible points in your weapon, and then you lot should probably stick to ane toon. Also I highly recommend taking a pause from the game, gives you lot some perspective and breaks y'all of that mentality regarding min/maxing on multiple characters.

I came dorsum to the game a couple of months ago, Legion is bully merely I already feel myself getting bored. I can see how burnout is a problem at this indicate.

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Quote Originally Posted by FrostyK View Post

lol @ all these

"my alt is ilvl 930 in ane week"

It's a no wonder I accept 930s in my M+ and raid doing sub par dps because yah ilvl is everything.

It probably gonna have you months to get a properly itemized 930s and good legendaries. Simply hey, most 930s doesn't care and thinks hes entitled to bring together a +12 Mythic run and spiral shit upwards anyway.

And yes... as someone who similar to exist itemized and geared properly rather than jus chasing raw ilvl, Legion is crap for alts.

I've been back for two months and have been at level cap for a month and agreed. People are either talking out of their ass or are paying for carries (or getting their guild to carry them).

2017-ten-30,05:55 AM

The simply effect I've had on my alt was getting legendaries. My bear druid has the breast and luffas only I really want the cloak and balance legendary shoulders. Other than that I haven't had a problem getting my druid to 936 with 66 traits. We even started an alt run where is the only place I become AP from aside from one mythic 10+ per week.

2017-10-30,05:58 AM

Quote Originally Posted by Dakhath View Post

Vanilla is not an expansion and it was easy to ready alts in BC. BoJ gave you lot like shooting fish in a barrel gear for the whole expansion with no need to worry about AP or legendaries.

Vanilla was not an expansion, y'all don't say? It'southward nigh similar i wrote the exact same affair in my post.

BoJ had value in the latter stages of TBC; in the earlier most people didn't even know what a badge is, not to speak of ever earning 1.

2017-10-30,05:58 AM

Quote Originally Posted by Celista View Post

I've been back for two months and have been at level cap for a month and agreed. People are either talking out of their ass or are paying for carries (or getting their club to conduct them).

Thats what nosotros've been doing to to bolster our alt raid's mythic roster, conveying new alts through heroic ToS and one mythic 10+ per calendar week.

2017-ten-thirty,06:19 AM

What? this is the easiest moment to gear alts in all the years of wow. I literally reached 110 and in less than 2 hours I had all three artifacts with 55 points and an ilvl of 905. Never it's been that easy, never. Even gearing off specs was a torture before, while now yous can perform offspecs adequately well without changing a single piece.

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